moviefreak, you may be on to something there... but I think it would have to be crafted very carefully in order to come out right. In other words, it could be very easy to do the wrong way.
@LordKinbote - I don't see why. They would not be added to the usual categories (though perhaps individual users could have this function). Of course this would only be if all checks were official.
One idea:
What about seperating Movies, Shorts, TV-Series and TV-episodes and have different rankings for all of them?
I think Crinderman's idea could work but only if there is seperate part of the site for the premium users. A sort of Premium Only selection of lists with awards and rankings and everything, these would not count for the official ranking but does give out awards for the specified zone. That way us premium users would have an extra competition, but only between ourselves.
@moviefreak: that's true, but it could be broken up into pages... we can already search through endless pages on the site just looking for movies we haven't checked so why not have a list of the users who have checked each film, particularly sorted by most recent checks. Obviously icm already keeps track of that in some way already, it wouldn't hurt to expand upon it... and like I said before, rateyourmusic already has this functionality, and it works well. Mosey on over there and check it out.
@Crinderman: I have heard a lot of "the-site-is-called-"'I Check Movies', not 'I Check'"-fill-in-the-blank" arguments, but that is by far the worst of the lot. Having official checks versus non-official ones is imperative. The only other alternative would be to designate points to official checks and non-official ones, having "official" checks be worth twice as much (or what-have-you) as the non-official checks. But then again people would complain that Movie A is "worth" more than Movie B and oh the injustice, etc.
Is it like a "you cant check every movie youve seen as soon as you join" thing? It's fine if it takes a user 4 or 5 months to build their complete list in my opinion.
But if the movie watchers that watch stuff at a really high clip (50+ a month) are held back, thats really going to hurt the competitive aspect.
Yeah @mjf314, I don't like that idea either. It reminds me of those lobbyists paying to have favourable laws passed. Lists should be "official" only if they enjoy a more or less general recognition within the film industry. Otherwise, a voting system to accept new lists proposed by iCM users would be a fairer option than paying.
@Crinderman: Paying to have lists made "official" would severely compromise the integrity of the site and diminish the lists that are already on the site. I'm gonna vote no for this idea.
@mjf314: What if they make all films official checks. The site is called I Check Movies, not I Check Movies On Lists That Have Been Accepted By the Administration.
I know this has been brought up many times before, but now would be the time to change it. Always thought the exclusion of so many movies was a disadvantage to the site. Why not promote all kinds of movies.
Of course now you would just be paying for the award, which would make the lists a lot cheaper. Perhaps 5 dollars?
As for the lists they could be added to a list database instead of getting added to the main categories, letting users search and view lists. Perhaps the lists that have been paid for could get a more exclusive page showing the awards, etc. That would be an extra bonus and it would definitely encourage users to buy in a lot of lists.
Perhaps a list could be added to the main categories if a ridiculously large amount was paid(and the lists should fit certain requirements made by Eric & Piet).
I love your promotional idea! In the same way as ads lists could be featured on the front page for a daily fee(the fee would go up after the first day). They could also buy blogposts!
I think this will secure the financial aspects of ICM for a long long time. If not forever.
Regardless of how many checks the average icheckmovies user makes every month, the time when the number of checks should absolutely *not* be limited is when a user first comes to the site. What is the first thing a new user does? They check all the movies that they've seen. On my first day, I checked several hundred movies. If the site went to limited checks, it would be completely impenetrable for new users, who would have to either pay money for a service they haven't really tried, or wait months to check all the movies they had seen before reaching the site.
I have to disagree slightly with Crinderman because I don't think anyone who pays should be able to get a permanently official list... but maybe featured lists for one year, month, week, day, etc.
I also think it would be great if this could happen via a polling process of all the users on the site (that is, if they choose to vote). That way there is more of a consensus... perhaps even offering limited-time-only awards would be beneficial too. For instance, if you complete the featured list for the month of July 2012, you can get an award for that, but it would only be featured for that month (maybe they can be another type of award like a ribbon or something).
Movie quizzes and daily / weekly / monthly polls would be great too. IMDb currently picks polls from its users' suggestions in the forums.
@Crinderman: If users can pay to make their lists official, it would ruin the competitive aspect of the site. It would give an unfair advantage to people who pay, because someone could create a list of hundreds of obscure films that they watched, and easily gain hundreds of checks.
In addition there would be too many bad official lists. If the list does deserve to be official, then it should be official with or without paying.
It might be a good idea to let users pay to have their list featured temporarily on the front page.
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Jumping Elephant
moviefreak, you may be on to something there... but I think it would have to be crafted very carefully in order to come out right. In other words, it could be very easy to do the wrong way.St. Gloede
@LordKinbote - I don't see why. They would not be added to the usual categories (though perhaps individual users could have this function). Of course this would only be if all checks were official.One idea:
What about seperating Movies, Shorts, TV-Series and TV-episodes and have different rankings for all of them?
jeroeno
I think Crinderman's idea could work but only if there is seperate part of the site for the premium users. A sort of Premium Only selection of lists with awards and rankings and everything, these would not count for the official ranking but does give out awards for the specified zone. That way us premium users would have an extra competition, but only between ourselves.Jumping Elephant
@moviefreak: that's true, but it could be broken up into pages... we can already search through endless pages on the site just looking for movies we haven't checked so why not have a list of the users who have checked each film, particularly sorted by most recent checks. Obviously icm already keeps track of that in some way already, it wouldn't hurt to expand upon it... and like I said before, rateyourmusic already has this functionality, and it works well. Mosey on over there and check it out.@Crinderman: I have heard a lot of "the-site-is-called-"'I Check Movies', not 'I Check'"-fill-in-the-blank" arguments, but that is by far the worst of the lot. Having official checks versus non-official ones is imperative. The only other alternative would be to designate points to official checks and non-official ones, having "official" checks be worth twice as much (or what-have-you) as the non-official checks. But then again people would complain that Movie A is "worth" more than Movie B and oh the injustice, etc.
piet
Right now, I'm writing a blog post about the checking limit. It's called 'No more limit'. Watch this space ;)jrod944
any idea how much checks will be limited?Is it like a "you cant check every movie youve seen as soon as you join" thing? It's fine if it takes a user 4 or 5 months to build their complete list in my opinion.
But if the movie watchers that watch stuff at a really high clip (50+ a month) are held back, thats really going to hurt the competitive aspect.
sortile9io
Yeah @mjf314, I don't like that idea either. It reminds me of those lobbyists paying to have favourable laws passed. Lists should be "official" only if they enjoy a more or less general recognition within the film industry. Otherwise, a voting system to accept new lists proposed by iCM users would be a fairer option than paying.St. Gloede
"the ability to show who all people who checked, favorited, and disliked a film"Great idea! I'd certainly love to see that! Perhaps it could be linked to the group function as well.
P.S. I also think limiting the amount of checks would be a really poor decicion financially.
LordKinbote
@Crinderman: Paying to have lists made "official" would severely compromise the integrity of the site and diminish the lists that are already on the site. I'm gonna vote no for this idea.St. Gloede
@mjf314: What if they make all films official checks. The site is called I Check Movies, not I Check Movies On Lists That Have Been Accepted By the Administration.I know this has been brought up many times before, but now would be the time to change it. Always thought the exclusion of so many movies was a disadvantage to the site. Why not promote all kinds of movies.
Of course now you would just be paying for the award, which would make the lists a lot cheaper. Perhaps 5 dollars?
As for the lists they could be added to a list database instead of getting added to the main categories, letting users search and view lists. Perhaps the lists that have been paid for could get a more exclusive page showing the awards, etc. That would be an extra bonus and it would definitely encourage users to buy in a lot of lists.
Perhaps a list could be added to the main categories if a ridiculously large amount was paid(and the lists should fit certain requirements made by Eric & Piet).
I love your promotional idea! In the same way as ads lists could be featured on the front page for a daily fee(the fee would go up after the first day). They could also buy blogposts!
I think this will secure the financial aspects of ICM for a long long time. If not forever.
LordKinbote
Regardless of how many checks the average icheckmovies user makes every month, the time when the number of checks should absolutely *not* be limited is when a user first comes to the site. What is the first thing a new user does? They check all the movies that they've seen. On my first day, I checked several hundred movies. If the site went to limited checks, it would be completely impenetrable for new users, who would have to either pay money for a service they haven't really tried, or wait months to check all the movies they had seen before reaching the site.mjf314
"the ability to show who all people who checked, favorited, and disliked a film"I second this.
It would also be nice to have friend stats on the film page, so we can see which friends have checked/favorited the film.
bjornam
I suggest Monty sells his collection of Turkish films, and donates the money to the site. Should buy dozens of servers.Jumping Elephant
I have to disagree slightly with Crinderman because I don't think anyone who pays should be able to get a permanently official list... but maybe featured lists for one year, month, week, day, etc.I also think it would be great if this could happen via a polling process of all the users on the site (that is, if they choose to vote). That way there is more of a consensus... perhaps even offering limited-time-only awards would be beneficial too. For instance, if you complete the featured list for the month of July 2012, you can get an award for that, but it would only be featured for that month (maybe they can be another type of award like a ribbon or something).
Movie quizzes and daily / weekly / monthly polls would be great too. IMDb currently picks polls from its users' suggestions in the forums.
mjf314
@Crinderman: If users can pay to make their lists official, it would ruin the competitive aspect of the site. It would give an unfair advantage to people who pay, because someone could create a list of hundreds of obscure films that they watched, and easily gain hundreds of checks.In addition there would be too many bad official lists. If the list does deserve to be official, then it should be official with or without paying.
It might be a good idea to let users pay to have their list featured temporarily on the front page.
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